is the Director of Operations for Gardex Chemicals Ltd. based in the Toronto home office. He has been involved in the pest control industry for more than 30 years. Prior to his 13 years with Gardex, Robert held numerous management positions with ICI/Zeneca Agricultural Products in the United States. With a Bachelor of Science degree in Biology and Horticulture, Robert brings both education and experience needed to help Gardex customers in all facets of their business.
And why the regulators don’t get this….(last half of my title).
I like the word regulators. Makes it sound like you’re back in the days of prohibition…revenuers and regulators. Fits.
The number one, numero uno, # 1 rule of Pest Management?????
KEEP THEM OUT TO START WITH!
IPM starts with exclusion. A pest, or invasive species, isn’t a pest until it has actually invaded someone’s space or property, water or food source, and reduces the quality of life overall.
Isn’t that too simple?
BUT (did you sense that coming?) we seem to be forgetting that fact when we look at labeling that continues to be approved by PMRA.
First case in point was the ruling on rodenticides and restricting the only registered and allowable out door registration to bromadiolone. One active ingredient out of the 5 -6 registered.
And what happens when you feed one active ingredient continually to a population, where 5% may survive from a lethal dose? And a population that can drop new pups like Putin drops f-bombs on the Ukraine?
Like the French in WWII.
I’ve been reading through the re-evaluation again, and still don’t believe they had enough data to restrict the use of ALL the other actives outdoors.
Case in point #2. A new Bayer product. And I’m not picking on Bayer, because they have been getting the short stick on all their labels lately.
Think of the lowly house fly, just the one that isn’t inside your customers restaurant. But he’s hoping to get inside your customers restaurant. He’s not across town getting his nails done (that’s weird) or hanging at the track with boyz (yeah I’m ghetto cool).
He’s hanging right outside that restaurant waiting for that door to open.
14 seconds to make the egress from garbage to filet mignon.
The fly is probably sitting on the door frame…outside…
So logic…what a word…logic would dictate you would want to use the new Fly Spot…where? C’mon people. Think.
Here’s a new bait/pesticide combo that probably works great, with an indoor registration only. Unless you count dumpsters, which may help.
A simple application of an attractant with a rapid contact used outside, like around the door frame where The Fly (Jeff Goldblum version) is sitting waiting, would seem to be the logical choice.
But there’s that word again.
One question though: Does it make sense to use more pesticides indoors than out?
Give me exclusion any day.
These trade concessions, tariffs, duties and “trade deficits” debates just continue to amaze, daze and confuse me.
First off I have to admit I’m simple minded. Easily confused my wife says.
BUT…now Canada is upset with the EU on the price of cheese coming into the country. It will destroy the Quebec cheese industry. No more Oka! (I hate that friggin’ commercial anyway)
And NAFTA looms overhead like a big stick ready to come crashing down…a big stick of soft wood lumber!
So does anyone else see the “weirdness” of all this?
One country is best at producing cheese, cheaper and just as good.
One country is best at growing timber, since half the country is forest.
And the USA can’t do much of anything, besides consuming goods. Oh, and digging up coal. But they are determined to protect their foresters.
Philadelphia Creme Cheese though!
It would seem to me that if the governments kept their noses and MP’s and Senators out of it, and the money out of their own pockets, this would sort itself out? Granted some people would have to shift their way a earning a buck.
If I can’t grow lumber at a cheaper price than my neighbor (competitor) maybe I should find a means to do it better…or stick to the markets where I excel?
Or follow the government’s brilliant ideas, like giving away cheese to reduce supply and drive prices back up.
Global economy with a village mentality.
And no, I’m not the village idiot!
After re-reading my last post, and my 2 step solution to prevent global annihilation, I developed a simple plan to eliminate the largest contributor to global warming, CO2 emissions and pollution by eliminating the gas powered auto. That one was simple.
But how to curb population growth? We can’t enact a “Hand Maidens Tale” (no I’m not watching a girly show). Or try the Chinese method. Maybe a lottery?
No, I’ve accepted the fact that the easiest, quickest way to reduce the population is by going to war.
Or a maybe plague! We’d make some money with a plague of locusts now wouldn’t we! Or is that on the label? Check with the PMRA.
But I’m leaning towards war…
And not just a skirmish in some god forsaken place in the desert (I do feel for those people living in an inhospitable land, and centuries of fighting over nothing except whose religion is right).
I’m talking full blown nuclear disaster.
Face it, we can’t argue or agree to that….ridiculous I know. But when the livable area of Earth starts to diminish due to climate change, pollution, over crowding and poverty something is going to snap. And someone will push the button.
But what will really happen is the population will reach a point that more people will live in poverty, low health care standards, horrible housing and sanitation, and more crowding. Look at the slums in Rio, or Cairo.
Rats, Roaches, Filth…sounds like places in Toronto…
Someone in some godforsaken little hut will develop a “super bug” and I’m not talking insects. And we’ll see large scale disaster. AIDS, West Nile, SARS, Ebola, Zika…one of these will develop we can’t find a cure for. A new strain of influenza….
And it will move across the planet swiftly. Sounds pretty ominous. It will be.
Better than a bomb? Guess it depends on whose side you on.
But it’s not all doom and gloom! I did come up with a fix for the pollution problem and global warming.
Get rid of the gas powered vehicles. Period. (look at what that does to the power shift in the world by cutting gasoline consumption by 90%).
The CO2 emissions are the leading cause of pollution and global warming. Might not be true, but now it is cuz I typed it!
So why are we divesting and diverting all of our efforts to something else??? Really. We have too many “causes”. Pink ribbons and yellow flags and elastic wrist bands in every color of the rainbow. Save the Rainbows even!
Face it, if the tree huggers and major communities of the world got together and implemented an “electric” only policy, it could very well happen. Take all those tree hugger riches aimed at saving the spotted owl, the spotted ocelot, the spotted Tasmanian sparrow and the drug addict I spotted on the street, and put it to this one cause.
Simply phase it in over 10 years by issuing new tags to an increasingly higher % of electrics only. Getting to the point to where all tags are for electric only.
So you can’t drive 1200 miles in 10 hours to see Grandma. She doesn’t want you to bother her anyway! She’s got bingo booked until she wins and dies.
No gasoline powered car over 10 years old would be issued a tag…voila!
I’ve almost saved the Planet!
Just gotta work on that population thingy….suggestions anyone?
But I’ve got an idea….
Being a bug man we often talk about colony collapse of certain species. Primarily ants, but also bees, termites and Amish.
But speaking of Amish, I have been watching and reading the news coming from the likes of the WHO, Bono, the UN, WWF, WWE and WTF, plus the most intelligent man on the planet, Dr. Stephen Hawkins.
It seems a pretty well united train of thought that the Human species – on Earth anyway – will collapse in 100 years. Wow…. 100 years.
That aint a lot of time folks. 4 or 5 generations. My grandkids grandkid.
In essence, my 6 month old grandson, might very well live long enough to see the end of the human race.
So when we deplete our accessible “nesting colony” on Mother Earth, we will need to make winged reproductives and find another place to live…
Real simple not? Hasn’t the government (har har) got this all planned out?
Well they do have plans, but not in the way your thinking.
We worry about pesticides ruining our food, saving the whales, the price of bread. NAFTA and soft wood. Children’s education, terrorists, Aunt Betty’s surprise part, your expanding waist, murderers in nursing homes. And making more money.
Really really really….we should be thinking of 2 things and 2 things only.
- Reducing the population.
- Eliminating the carbon breathing dragons we call automobiles.
That’s it. Plain and simple. Quit populating and polluting. Way too easy.
150,000 people die every day. And in the industrial nations that’s 90% from old age.
BUT – 400,000 new babies are born every day. Net affect? More and more and more. 4 new lives to replace 1. Everyday.
Who is speaking up and saying NO MORE BABIES. We don’t need a reduction from 400,000 to 200,000. We need zero. Zip, nil. Simple
And I just had…well not me personally…my new grandson born. So besides him I mean. And one of our girls is expecting here, so not her of course.
But everyone else…
And c’mon people…4 cars for a four family household? We all know the automobile is the worst polluter traveling the planet. And has we populate the planet with more people….
What do you think causes that gray green smog to hang over the city?
To hell with big auto…the new rule should be 1 car per address, unless you run electric. See how fast the electric car would be improved. Might even fly!
But no one is going to do this, they would rather worry about the little things. GMO corn flakes and neonics killing honey bees.
There’s only 2 things to worry about and fix…
Oh, maybe 3 things.
The 3rd thing you should worry about might already be sitting in the White House.
When the population reaches an insurmountable number, the politicians re-act with their only answer…
Full scale war.
It’s even good for the economy, employment and the Big 3 can make more tanks, Humvees and jeeps.
So mark this down on your calendar, but don’t worry or do anything about it. Just make sure you have some organic free-range chicken for lunch today.
I’m just hoping the next intelligent species to inhabit the planet in 10 million years is smarter than this one.
So we’re living with some new restrictions…
And I’ve used the Temprid label in the previous rant as the example. Not to pick on Bayer.
So, only on the structure, make certain you don’t treat the ground, or allow any on the deck or patio.
When you spray the eave 40 feet up no drips, drops or dribbles allowed!
I can’t tell you how to define indoor perimeter vs baseboard vs C&C. I’m confused myself. But you’ll have to be extra careful and get that interpretation.
Now comes the kicker. A reliable source…I feel like Dan Rather or 60 Minutes…from the “agency” stated the new testing they are going to be doing this year: samples of the spray tank to make certain your rate is accurate, and swabbing treated areas, and untreated to, see if you are in the labeled area of use.
Swabbing: Actually going into places that have been treated and taking swabs of the floor, baseboards, walls, beds etc. to make certain there is no pesticide where it shouldn’t be.
So make certain there hasn’t been any other pesticides used by the home owner or any other PMP. Probably for 2 – 3 years?
Soil sampling: If the pesticide label does not allow for perimeter treatment in a “band” extending out from the building, then if found in the soil it’s off label.
So make certain they haven’t added any mulch or soil or peat moss to their flower beds before you treat. It may be previously contaminated.
Or, simple enough, spread a drop clothe over the yard and decks and shrubs when you spray. If you’re spreading a drop clothe, might as well paint it on!
This new testing or checking up on you is all well and good…but a.) how do they implement and b.) is it realistic?
How targeted can we get, with current application equipment, time constraint, and some sense of realism?
I don’t think as targeted as they would like.
I guess we’ll find out when the first fine is levied…
Oh and the PMRA will now be publishing any fines, citations, hand slaps and generally finger pointing “no-no’s” on their website for the whole world to read.
But the only ones looking it up will be the “greens”
And your competitors.
Remember the good old days when you had a label that said “indoor” or “outdoor” or if you were real lucky “indoor/outdoor”.
Kiss the good old days goodbye, and as the labels get more defined and more restrictive, our job is going to be tougher and tougher, then to the point we won’t be able to kill anything.
And when the PMRA and MOE start swabbing walls, floors and taking plant and soil samples, it will be impossible.
Maybe drones with night goggles and laser weapons to kill each roach as they pop their head up from the toaster?
I’ve been reading through the new Temprid SC label from Bayer and trying to increase my knowledge on all the restrictions and new terminology. Especially after talking to representatives of the PMRA and their new intent on testing (see my next rant).
I hope this label isn’t a precursor or sign of things to come…or both the PMP and the homeowner need to be changing their thoughts on eliminating insects.
A few here and there won’t hurt…just ask David.
But for Temprid, here’s the label from Bayer’s website…just in case you ever want to read a label. I know we all do though.
The restrictions/statements I’m having some trouble with:
- Indoor perimeter vs. Crack & Crevice
- Outdoor restriction on structure only, no true “perimeter application allowed”
- 6 hour REI for indoor applications
Point one: Indoor Perimeter vs. C&C
This is the first label where they have separated Crack & Crevice into 2 new categories; normal old C&C (kinda) and Indoor Perimeter.
Most of us “old-timers” consider a crack and crevice as a trip around the baseboards. There was always a crack or crevice there, where the floor and baseboard are connected. This was done with a C&C tip sometimes, but also either a cone, flat fan or pin point nozzle. But some of the product went on the baseboard and some on the floor. It just couldn’t be avoided 100% of the time.
This is no longer allowed. If a product says C&C only, you need to make sure it all goes into the crack. They will be testing….swabbing walls and floors to make certain it stays in the crack and crevice.
What the hell’s a crevice anyway???
They now refer to the old method as “Indoor Perimeter”, where you can spray the baseboard itself.
BUT…who is defining what “perimeter” means???? Is it outside wall only? Or can it be the perimeter of a room??? Inside the outside wall of a room inside????
HELP!!!! I’m confused!!!!
Point two: Outdoor Application on structure only
So this is good, you’re allowed to use the product outside….but NOT as a perimeter treatment like the “good old days”.
The label makes a firm statement that the product must be on the structure only. Then that means don’t do your typical “perimeter” application of a band 3′ out and then up the structure wall.
No product should hit the ground, mulch or plant material.
No dripping or runoff….
NO PORCHES, DECKS OR PATIOS!
“VEE VILL BE SWABBING JA!!!!”
AND THE BEST: 6 HR REI AND POSTING
Back in the good old days….
We used to tell customers allow 4 hours for the product to dry. Why 4 hours? Because in normal situations it dries in an hour or so, and the extra time was put in to ensure the product was dry, and any airborne particles had settled.
Bit of a safety net and built in time.
So why 6 hours? Or did they just add some tot he standard thinking if 4 is good 6 is better?
OR….did anyone actually spray 10 different surfaces and sit there and keep touch them to see what dried when.
I’m hoping in the future they can tell how long to really leave it…
For Dupont ceramic tile, shades 10099-125544, made between 2010 and 2017, allow 4.35 hours….
Manville baseboards, style #2343, color walnut – semi-birch, allow 3.2 hours…
Wave of the future.
I don’t think we can run fast enough to make that go away BUT maybe as an industry we should sit down with the PMRA and Provinces and come up with something reasonable that won’t instill panic in every person in the building.
So there’s my thoughts.
I’m gonna go buy some Raid/Konk/Bugkill and spray my entire joint, inside and out, then call a PMP to spray Temprid, then call the PMRA to start swabbing for residues…..
But we’ll wait 6 hours.
A fun time will be had by all.
Okay…we don’t have to rape and burn and pillage…although I have really wanted to try that pillaging stuff. Need a Viking hat…or a PM’s costume.
But when there is a rightfully known concern, and you have one of the better means and knowledge base to address those concerns, then why not put that to use, and take advantage of it?
Let’s look at one little instance…Lyme Disease.
Here’s the thing with Lyme Disease…the best way to control the further spread is through prevention. Plain and simple.
And how do you prevent the damn thing? Don’t get bit!!!! Like the TV ad run over and over and over…”Just Don’t Fall”. You know at 1:00 am and you can’t sleep. You finally wish they would both fall.
DUH….and double Duh.
We know where Lyme disease comes from…friggin Lyme Pennsylvania!
Well I was really thinking about the deer tick. They live and move about on…guess what…deer! (but also mice and a bunch of other critters…like pet dogs)
So we have instances in Eastern Canada, Ontario, the Rockies….people contracting Lyme’s…means someone is getting bit!
So kill the little buggers before they bite!
But I’m surprised more of this isn’t taking place, being promoted, and creating the interest. Not so much as an opportunistic sale, but really trying to ease some minds by eliminating or minimizing a serious problem.
Look at Toronto…the GTA…Golden Horse…something.
You have all these nice cricks and rivers running through these nice tree covered valleys and ravines down to Lake Ontario. The Rouge, The Humber, Mimico, Etobicke, The Credit.
And backing on to all these creeks (properly spelt) are the nicest properties with the nicest views. Woods and trees and little rabies-infected animals and deer.
And guess what…ticks!
So similar to polio, you would much rather prevent it through vaccination…treatment… than to contract it.
No you can’t “guarantee” contraction of Lyme, especially when they go to the cottage or the ball game, but you can help eliminate some of the problem.
And with today’s newer and scientifically advanced and improved products, the benefit far outweighs any risk.
Is this capitalizing on a plague?
I always ask my self the same questions…Is it safe for my grandchildren? And would I use it in my own backyard?
You damn right I would.
Yes I actually read the label…the whole thing…as boring as it may be.
So I’m reading through the new Bayer Temprid label, and came across the following:
It’s defined as being a band of product, allowed on baseboards in the perimeter of a room. Restricted to 30 cm or 12 inches (Laura converted for me so if that’s wrong call her).
So a 12″ band is allowed, around the inside walls on the outside of an indoor room.
Is this an old labeled use pattern and I’ve missed it all these years? “Indoor Perimeter”.
Outside walls of an indoor room???
So if Temprid is the very first product to have this label (even though it may be a somewhat common use already) how do we go about having it added to all products? Like Tempo, Dragnet, Demand and Prelude?
I’m going through the PMRA label search and cannot find this new use anywhere. If someone does let me know.
Or maybe the PMRA could comment on this use versus the one on the Crack & Crevice section of the Tempo label:
For stored product pest control of exposed adult and immature stages of insect pests, apply to cracks, crevices, and other surfaces where the pests have been seen or have harbourage.
I especially like the part “and other surfaces”. That leaves the door wide open to everything.
But if you have your product registered, with Crack & Crevice only, how do you get on equal footing with Bayer and add the new “Interior Perimeter”…???
If the other products don’t require evacuation of a small town when sprayed, are we to deem them as “safer”?
Then why wouldn’t this new use be allowed???? Like an automatic addition…
I’m confused as usual.
I’m heading to work the other morning…Hiway 27.
Real easy up to Dixon, left at Skyway, left on Meridian and into Gardex.
No big deal. Until you reach that stretch where it merges with the 6 lanes of the 427/401, which soon splits into 8 lanes heading north and west and east all at the same time. Trust me, it does somehow.
Just as I make it to the point of merging with this nightmare, the grandfather in front of me (heading to Shoppers Drug Mart to celebrate his 84th birthday) freaks out and drops to 60 kph. Whoa there pops! I follow suit or eat his spare tire for breakfast. Horns blaring, fingers waving! Only half the peace sign though…what’s up with that?
At the exact same moment, the girl in the green Mercury Topaz on my right realizes she is running out of lane. Even though someone has put up 10 signs the last 5 miles saying “MERGE YOU IDIOT”, and she decides to cut between Gramps and myself.
(No way am I letting her in…dream on sister!)
Then to make matters worse…..a delivery van in the far left lane of the 427 suddenly realizes he needs to exit and cuts across 4 lanes to squeeze in front of Gramps…after all there’s a huge gap left by the rapid drop in speed.
Kinda like 4 people wanting to share the exact same space at the exact same time in the exact same plane of existence. Cosmic….
I’m ready to close my eyes and meet my maker!
So here’s the Test:
1.) What color of eye shadow was the girl applying while late to work?
2.) Was the delivery driver using the correct hand while talking on his cell? And which hand was it?
3.) Did Gramps make it to Shoppers, re-new his glaucoma medication and live happily ever after?
Address all answers to my laptop, and I’ll check ’em driving back home tonite!
I was dealing with a customer the other day…well actually helping a customer deal with one of their customers…you know…tenant, super, property manager, pest control company. You’re typical goat…can’t say that…you’re typical discussion on the safety of pesticides. Their word “poison”.
And it reminded me just how ignorant the majority of the world is around pesticides.
I was making the comparison of some of the various day to day products they might find in their house that are more toxic than many of the newer pesticides. Aspirin.
If used according to label…always throw that in. A federally approved registration that if followed has been deemed to be within the acceptable definition of safe.
But they ask questions that are so far out there about the “poison” …meaning pesticide… it would make your head spin.
“How many pregnant women have they tested this on to cause toxic results and death”
You must be kidding.
The same amount they tested Mr. Chlorine Bubbles, lighter fluid and paint thinner on. The same way the Mr. Plumbob is tested…just pour it down their throats maybe.
What a dweeb! Moron! Imbecile!!! (I loved Bugs Bunny cartoons)
They must think we’re heathens, not scientists.
But look who we are dealing with…a generation or two now, that have been told pesticides are poison and are all “toxic”.
But you and I know when you look at real data…scientifically proven and approved…the products we use are relatively safe.
If used according to label directions.
BY A PROFESSIONAL!!!
We obviously as an industry have done a poor job of education, but we’re in the same boat as farmers who need these tools.
The general population is untrained.
Maybe we need to make it simpler???
You know those little white packets found in electronic equipment, stereos, cameras, and sometimes peanut brittle? Full of silica gel. To keep moisture out. A PESTICIDE!
And what’s it say on the outside of the every little white packet?
DO NOT EAT
I like it.